Magic Water

[(KKND)Solid Snake]

Hi ppl long time I am looking into investing into a water cooling system for my pc. I was thinking about getting that really expencive water like stuff (er sorry i dont no its name but if it is spilt onto any components it wont harm the system) could any one tell me how much roughly it costs and where i could buy it from (if possable) and also i will be looking for a good water cooling system to go with it

Merry Christmas and a Happy New year to one and all

[spazmochad]

1. Don't be a pussy, just be careful.
2. Thermaltake Big Water SE kit, although the new style pump are wierd. If your cooling the chipset consider a koolance block to go with it. I never bothered water cooling my graphics card when I had water cooling (6800 gt) as it would just heat up the loop and the artic silencer did the job of making it silent and cold anyhow. Water cooling is only really worth it if you want to pair silence and overclockng imo.

[M_D_K]

around ?25 for 500mls

www.coolercases.co.uk, www.over-clock.co.uk and google FluidXP in the UK.



Morgan.

[Sc4mpi]

Oi oi mike, which one of your pcs are your trying to cool? last time i rembered u had a msi shuttle thing,

anyway as morgan said fluid xp+ (here (http://www.watercoolingshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=248) )

or inertx, cant rember the site, but they had a demo of the stuff at i22

steer clear of cheap kits mike there about as good if not worse than a "good" Heatsink ("thermalright etc"). Custom is the way to go ,that way you get what you want and what you need (you need to decided what u want watercooling for "silence in which case a small bore 10/8mm tube" or for "performance a 3/8"-1/2 tube ")
if u need some help on bits, just give us a bell on msn sometime

good luck :)

[frodo]

hi

well

1) dont be a pussy (as said above) just double check everything and it will be fine
2) DO NOT get a thermaltake kit, they are a load of crap, i have had quite a few of them (ranging from aquarius 2 to the newest and crappest bigwater) they are absolutely terrible (like my spelling) and arent worth it imo

if you want to go the route of a kit, i'd say get an asetek kit (they do a good range of kits, from n00bie to "extreme" kits (i say "extreme" because in comparison to real component choice'd versions that you choose the stuff, they are relatively moderate))

although its highly frowned upon i run my rig with tap-water, ive never had a problem with any of my rigs, but most people would make up some real bad horror story of how bob the algae monster appeared in their tubings... yeah, cause it can happen in certain areas...

watercooling is great for overclocking, but if you dont plan to overclock you will find yourself better with a DECENT air cooler (not some magic cooler that is bigged up) if tis an s939 or s754 get the xp120 (very, VERY good air cooler) or if you want real silence and can fit it, get the zalman 120 (if it wont fit, you can try a zalman 92mm - noisier, but work just aswell)

for graphics card cooling, if youve got a mainstream card (6800/7800/1800) you can get full coverage blocks, if not you can use pretty much any universal block from the likes of alphacool, aquacomputer, asetek and so forth

for chipset cooling, if it kicks out alot of heat that is (like nf4 chipsets) you can get a chipset block from one of the previously mentioned makers, that will allow you to run without the puny fan on the chipset.

hard-drive cooling - some people consider it a must, some dont - i personally like it, as it means you dont need a fan over it and can reduce the noise and vibrations from the drive considerably.

ram cooling - recently to come ot the market is ram cooling - you dont need it, but in a rig with low airflow (such as most silent watercooled rigs) it will become necessary to have some airflow over performance modules, i have to run 2x 80mm's over my bh5, because they get so hot when you overclock them to stupid levels....

radiator needs - now some people are like "the more the merrier" and all that crap, well basically, no

i run my rig on a single 120.1, some people may run the same loop with a 120:3, or maybe even a 120.3 + a 120.2 just to cool the cpu - the main reason is they think the more rads the lower temps... WRONG. on watercooling, you will NEVER get below ambient without the use of TEC's (thermo electric conductors) aka peltiers (hot side cold side theory, look for them in google if you want to know more) or the use of a dual loop with a tec somewhere in there (one loop for cold side, one loop for hot side)

now for some, running a chipset, graphics and cpu on a 120.1 will be fine, if you want to run tons of stuff and not worry about temps, get a 120:3, if your running hdd's, chipset, 2 sli cards, and a high end overclocked processor it may be worth investing in a 120:3 and a 120:2, therefore you can cool the water at certain parts, so the last part of the loop wont be warmed at all.

cheap kits such as thermaltake etc, are about as good as midrange aircooling, and half the time arent worth the hassle.

if you need help with kits, just add me on msn, will be happy to help.

[M_D_K]

First off id say ask yourself why you want watercooling? What do you want it to do? how much you want to spend? those sorts of questions.
Then count up the heat output of your system thats all the things your going to cool that will decide what rad size you'll need.
Then decide what kinda of bore you want to go for theres a fair few now i think not tip top on watercooling anymore but i think you've got, 10mm, 8mm, 1/2", 3/8" prob got 2 the same in there can never remember. Obviously the bigger the tube the more heat it can remove as your introducing more water to the heat source thuse getting rid of more heat faster and more affectivly.
After you've decided your budget, your bore, what you want it for and the amount of heat your removing its pretty much shopping time :). Theres a few other things to worry about do you want a closed loop I.E no res just a T-piece and a bung [a battery if u use 1/2" works a charm:D), if you want to use any specal chemicals or fluids i.e fluidXP and such oils or liquids that don't conduct electricity and also make sure u use a ?1 bottle of De-ionised water as tap water has minerals in that you don't want and splash of Zerex ?5 a bottle will last your lifetime can't hurt :) better to be safe then grow a collony in your loop.
After that just go out and spend spend spend put it together leak test it poke and prod till your happy and sit back and relax and watch you funky new cooling either flow round or piss all over your pc if you didn't do it right :p

Good luck :)

Morgan.

[(KKND)Solid Snake]

well i was looking into getting a new system with an FX57 or Dual Core 4800+ being at the centre of this setup based on the advice Stu gave me

[Wedgeh]

Didn't TBG17 teach you anything!! My soundcard had a bath and is fine :D

[M_D_K]

U my lad are a lucky F*****r lol, but yea learn from your mistakes and avoid putitng silly bends and use better retention clips on your barbs orr use 10mm compression fittings and some decent tubeing.


Morgan.

[Wedgeh]

Meh, I prefer paper towels.

[SHimmer45]

was only a small leak wedge & it proved that Creative sound cards are bloody tough :D

[Wedgeh]

Aye I should probably have expected it considering my shoddy work on the clip. However this is the person who once (seriously) corrected a leak in their watercooling by cramming it with blu-tac :D

[spazmochad]

DO NOT get a thermaltake kit, they are a load of crap, i have had quite a few of them (ranging from aquarius 2 to the newest and crappest bigwater) they are absolutely terrible

What exactly was wrong with it? lol I used to have a first revision bigwater and it was fine, aside from the pump breaking down in the first month and waiting for a replacement, while in the meantime I bodged a fish pond pump into a Haribo Box (http://www.freewebs.com/spazmochad/How To Re-use A Haribo Box.jpg).

Admittidly I recently built a machine for someone and used the kit again only to find that the pump had changed and they had made a drive bay with a resivour. The pump was smaller and slightly loud - but alooooot quieter than the ones I've seen boswell playing around with in the past ?_?.

[frodo]

you just answered your own question spazmochad

they are crap quality, they cost about ?30 to make yet they sell for ?90+

they arent for serious usage. boswell's rig isnt exactly a prime example of watercooling (no offence to boswell)

for a real example, look at sc4mpi's its damn silent and cools everything effectively

[Sc4mpi]

There not that bad, but there not that good either, the big water can be beaten by a thermaltake big typoon and a good fan :) and the pumps as you experienced spazmochad there not the most reliable. The pump boswell has in his rig is a Eheim same as what i use, there very reliable and there silent once you have eliminated the vibrations. if the dont isolate them they will rattle your case to bits. which could explain the noise :)

[BobNT]

However this is the person who once (seriously) corrected a leak in their watercooling by cramming it with blu-tac :DMaybe this explains why your PC has problems / blows up every now and then ;)

[putty_thing]

The best value holy (or 'magic') water I could find was here on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Holy-Water-Blessed-by-Priests-Healing-through-Belief_W0QQitemZ5648198826QQcategoryZ1277QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem)

That's a whole litre of the geniune article. It is available in smaller quantities and packs complete with insence etc, but I figure if you DO get a leak (possibly less likely with a blessed system) you don't want to risk non-holy water hitting your sound card.

(I'm not sure if you have to have any particular religion enabled in the bios for it to work mind..)

[SHimmer45]

So what kits do ppl recommend or is better is you get certain bits from different companies ect.

[Jynx]

I have the WaterChill kit and as a starting kit its very good but if you really wanna do it properly you need to custom build.

[frodo]

i agree with jynx... sure he murdered me in q4, but none the less i agree with him....

the asetek kits are GREAT starting points, as all the stuff is upgradable (unlike thermaltake kits) therefore, if you want some more cooling power you can upgrade the rad, fancy a new block, fine, just get a new 10mm block, fancy cooling some more things, go ahead, get some more blocks, its a great way to cool things as it means youve got a good upgrade path.

[putty_thing]

Back in the olden days we ordered a water block from dangerden (if you didn't make it yourself), a load of 1/2 silicon tubing, a pond pump and a heater matrix from a car and just went at it - push to fit connections indeed, I don't know...

[addz]

these kids dont know how easy they have it!
:P
/me shakes walking stick

http://www.thebiggame.org/galleryv2/tbg6/p1050009
http://www.thebiggame.org/galleryv2/tbg6/p1050010

[vale]

tbh i wouldnt wanna be the one carrying tht to and from lans! PLUS the shmo cant even afford a tft :P

[addz]

that was one of my first water cooled systems, and the pics were from tbg 7, so about 4 years ago :P Remember how sodding much tft's were back then?

i just posted them to illustrate a point, that back then we didn't have all these crazy off the self kits and stuff and bodges were made :). And yes it was an arse to transport, hence why that system was only used at about 2 lans :P

[Blackstar]

If I remember right ur water vat was a plastic box :)

[SGT_Snacks]

"ol' skool!"

[vale]

lmao ohhh it was u, you have a point with teh tft things sorry no offence intended haha.

still nice :D must have been chilly :P